Behind the Scenes Episode 319 – SUSE Rancher, Kubernetes and NetApp

Welcome to the Episode 319, part of the continuing series called “Behind the Scenes of the NetApp Tech ONTAP Podcast.”

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This week, Partner Solution Architect, Andy King (andy.king@suse.com, Andy King – LinkedIn) and Principal Technical Evangelist, Luke Mwila (luke.mwila@suse.com, Luke Mwila – LinkedIn, @Luke9ine) of SUSE join us to discuss Rancher and its place in the long line of Kubernetes orchestration tools. We’ll chat about Kubernetes’ future, how Rancher integrates with NetApp and much more!

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The following transcript was generated using Google’s voice to text transcription service. As it is AI generated, YMMV.

I’m here in the basement of my house. And with me today. I have a couple of special guests from Rancher with us. Andy King is here. Andy. What do you do at Rancher? And how do I reach you? Hi, so I’m a partner solution. Architect off. Living room switch UK. What does that mean? So I’m covering the MSP Division and I look after msps, in a mayor for manage specializations. So, I’m supporting an MSD is looking to create services and Enterprise Linux sap, kubernetes Edge, Technologies. And if you want to contact me probably best to get me on my email, which name is Andy, King suse, or you can grab me on LinkedIn if you do a quick search for Andrew, King, hyphen, one, and that will find me very quick. All right, excellent will also include those links in our blog also with us today. Luke Moyes here. So Luke, what do you do? And how do I reach you?
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Hey, everyone. My name is locanda me, Le or Luke Mila and I’m a senior technical evangelist at suse. So. So I focus on providing enablement around Cloud NetApp knowledge. He’s in the cloud native Community, as well as just helping out with our software stack as it pertains to cloud-native Technologies from Rancher and all the different Tools around that particular ecosystem as well as new vector and solutions of that. Like and so if you want to reach me you can do so on various platforms. You can reach out to me on Twitter in which case you can search for at home. And then the number 9, i n e. I know isn’t necessarily complicated or you can search for me on LinkedIn locanda and Lila and you could feel free to do the same with YouTube. And I’m also part of our suse and Rancher Community Network. That’s actually the best place for engagement with if you just want to reach out and chat further.
01:55 – 02:55
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So you both pronounced it suse, I’ve always pronounced it suse I guess. I’ve been wrong all this time. Yeah. Yeah. We have a great video of how to pronounce you actually have a video for this. That’s as a major, but we do in the link. Let’s see that there is a great video. Yeah. Yeah. Quite comical. But yeah, yeah, it’s Thursday. We’re NetApp NetApp NetApp, right? All right, so, you know, speaking of Rancher and speaking of suse. So so I understand that suse acquired Rancher a while ago. So can you kind of give us some background into that, as well as what Rancher is? Obviously the the background or history of suse is one in which the focus has been in the office Enterprise space, but obviously, it’s an open source operating system and just obviously with the trajectory of cloud and recent years and dead.
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Suse was able to get more involved in that space specifically from a cloud native perspective, considering the great work that was being done on the Rancher side of things. So Rancher being a kubernetes cluster management platform, which is kubernetes being at the heart of the cloud-native space. And so with suse acquiring, that you essentially have to grade world’s at come together and that obviously, propelled suse to immediately become one of the top providers when it comes to open source Solutions in the cloud native space.
03:30 – 03:37
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All right, so it sounds like suse. So wanted to have a cloud presence and in one of those ways to do that was to acquire somebody who’s done that for a while.
03:38 – 04:38
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And that’s one of our key messages is in everybody everywhere. When you look at the, the senior staff or the, when we look at Rancher, we call it a cute cake is the ability to to innovate everywhere. All right. So it’s it’s from the date Center or even from your laptop. So development from your laptop with Rancher, desktop from the ability to do that in the cloud to Data Centers down to Branch, to Edge near Edge Ford Edge with K Prius that’s always been at the heart. So there’s a good acquisition and Synergy over there and and why, you know, take a message. So as a software stack, it’s a Laramie crew teams to adopt containers quickly and rapidly, you know, removing the complexity of security challenges bath. When we look at the traditional accent aspects of Enterprise management, kubernetes has always been seen as a difficult challenge or a difficult difficult product to age.
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Grab the bull by the horns. And so we allow and give that ability to manage multiple kubernetes clusters, you know, providing develops teams with integrated tools, to rank pertaining to wash clothes, just bringing that Enterprise. I feel that for me two years ago was, was a scary and daunting thing to be, you know, taken taken it on Thursday, having that that dashboard having having all that integration being able to do development in any scenario, and they’re having that adaptability. He’s very important. So what’s the name Rancher? Kind of makes me think of that pets and cattle analogy, right? So is this kind of that kind of mentality where Rancher comes in is his hand, you know, kind of hurting all that cattle and trying to handle the container and handled the orchestration of all these environments.
05:29 – 06:29
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Spot on spot on. That’s exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. And so, we had a, a social online Gathering last year. We could do this in the system, Rancher Community Network. And this one was just celebrating the suse Rancher release version 2.6. And on that call, we had someone from the community, that actually say that what they love the most about rancher is that it makes kubernetes usable and I don’t think there’s a better compliment and just piggybacking off what and he said, you know, kubernetes is hard and the cloud native landscape is Faith in trying to wrap your head around. It is, is more of a journey and it’s difficult. So the goal is to simplify that and if you have a platform like Rancher, that solves a lot of those issues and complexities, especially if you’re trying to do kubernetes at scale and an Enterprise context, then that’s definitely a big win. Yeah. I’ve kind of started this journey myself. I’ve moved into a dog.
06:29 – 07:28
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Roll, or I’m doing more with kubernetes space, as well, as what we do with our NetApp Astra platforms, and I’ve I’ve started it out by trying to deploy kubernetes from scratch, right? Trying to do it by yourself off, basically, trying to approach it like an admin when it would approach it, you know, if their boss tells them, hey, go give me kubernetes and they’re like, all right, cool. I’ll go do that and then, you know, they’re used to doing these things. Maybe not even reading documentation, is giving in, and what I’m finding is that is not the way you want to do it. Just to look how we got in contact, right? I saw your blog and I said, why are you doing all that hard work? Why am I just just have a look at Rancher and we got talking and you know, it’s just moving a lot of that complexity when you’re looking at how you can deploy it, you know, all the different cncf versions whether you want to use hosted communities. Where when you when you use Virtual machines, wherever you’ve got virtualization hypervisor with you trying to do it locally on your desktop.
07:29 – 08:29
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You know, just remove all that complexity wherever you want to use terraform answerable to provision clusters, wherever you want to do in Q. Baby. It ADM cops kubernetes the hard way, you know, when I was going through my certification, that’s kubernetes the hard way, right? And I realized, how am I going to consistently do this? I to look at tools. I looked at ansible Great. How do I then allow others to to manage that cluster? How do I get a provisioning? An ad roll back from, you know, provisioning or Administration into into that authentication? How do I there and spin up for demos for pocs? Run production, workloads. Do migrations. Look at scenarios adding different tools at catalogs, you know, just going out and doing, you know, vanilla kubernetes is hard, really hard. Yeah. Yeah. The and the other initial impetus for that blog was I meant to make it harder and I knew that doing that was going to be hard and that I wanted to really understand wage.
08:29 – 09:29
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Are those challenges were? It’s like it when you know the challenges, you can kind of speak to why it’s important not to work with that. Cuz it’s easy to say. Oh, just use a deployment method like Rancher or just use GK Thursday. It’s like, then the customers were like, well, why? But now you can say, well, this and this, and this or why, you know, this it’s hard. And this is why it’s hard. So let’s talk about why it’s hard. What are some of those kubernetes challenges that you see out there? And and how are is Rancher really solving that just making that easier security and policies and user management is is a headache as well. That’s another factor and inconsistent access to share tools when you look at our certified partner list and, and people, we integrate with our reference architecture. We’re removing all of that headache and it’s just allowing for cmcf certified, kubernetes deployment, to be used to be, he’s guys and this in, because I work on the MSP side, you know, that’s very important as in dog.
09:29 – 10:29
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Tune into the tools that they already had in their environment and structure that they censor is bringing some of that integration in, making sure that you still have that Enterprise come across operations, you know, policy management user management tools, Etc. So, log into monitoring access control all of those providers. We’ve, we’ve done the hard work to make sure the integrated right remove or complexity that when you look at vanilla kubernetes, you have to bring in and, and test those tools and see if they work. And between the different clouds. They’ve got different tools so they don’t all work together. So we we kind of bring that all together as a manager of managers and, and remove, single-pane-of-glass and remove all of that complexity. That is there’s a challenge and and you can, you can get caught in the office and, and, and spend months trying to provision a cluster. And from MSP world is very important. You just need to, we have consumers and producers where the producer we’ve produced the kubernetes or Rancher surfing.
10:30 – 11:29
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And consumers, the clients and end-users need to just consume the service, and that’s why the cloud providers do so well, cuz they removed all of that complexity, but then they feel that hybrid Cloud talk about right where you’re going between different verticals, back to our message and innovate everywhere. How do you do that across? Different verticals, different Technologies, differential and spices to Edge to the data center, Etc. Yeah, one of the challenges I was noticing when I was digging into this was there’s a lot of resources out there and back. This is an open source project. You’re you’re not really going to get a consistency across the board. Sometimes people are banned in the stuff. They stood up like the one I was using like I could tell. It hasn’t been updated in 2 years, right? And it was spinning up Cloud. Instance. I didn’t really want that. I wanted it on Prem and it was just, you know, a lot of a lot of hidden bombs in there and then yep.
11:29 – 12:29
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Having something like a Rancher or other deployment method. It’s, it’s maintained by someone and it’s not, you know, it’s constantly updated. It’s not going to be left alone after a while cuz somebody’s moved on to something else, right? And, yeah, just add on to what any said as well. And I think Justin might consider what you’ve shared, you know, one of the challenges with with kubernetes, as well. It’s great that it’s open source. That’s low barrier of Entry, but you’re also overwhelmed by all these resources out there to get started with it. And we’ve actually had some great sessions online with Q&A sessions. That is with people sharing that this is one of the things that overwhelms them the most, and so, yeah. And the system and Rancher Community Network. One of the things we emphasize on is trying to create a journey for people. You know, how do you get from a place of complete novelty to a point where you can be a competent kubernetes at operator, or administrator and wage?
12:29 – 13:29
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Depending on what your goal is, you know, that could Branch off into different things. And so we actually have a free course introduction to kubernetes. And one of our goals with that is to help people understand the questions that they should be asking, even when it comes to kubernetes. What problem does it solve? Why should I be interested in in it in the first place? Cuz you don’t want it to give people the idea that this is a silver bullet or every kind of use case for that, you’re trying to use software to solve. And so, when people start to understand those things, it makes it a lot easier to also just know the direction that they should be moving and when it comes to working with kubernetes as well, so from understanding the architecture and then see whether or not, you’re going to be operating in administrating, a kubernetes cluster, or if you’ll be developing applications or kubernetes. And so, having a journey with understanding a journey that helps you understand, kubernetes simplifies things a whole lot because then it also helps. You understand what time?
13:29 – 13:49
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Was in the cloud native space, you should probably be investing time in and interacting with and using otherwise you get overwhelmed because their new tools coming up everywhere, which is great for the ecosystem as a whole. But if an individual who doesn’t know the why of what you’re doing of your particular kubernetes Journey, it just becomes very overwhelming.
13:50 – 14:50
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Take a look at this other levels. Like that’s a a good a good picture to show when you look at the cmcf landscape, you know, there’s a lot of logos there and she can and when you look at the choices, whether it’s being around networking complainer registry storage, you know, there’s there’s there’s there’s a lot to take on board. Right? And you need someone to have done all the hard work and and try and assist you and Steve and say these are free. Good products. You can make your choice. Suse isn’t open company interoperable. It’s about making choices for today. And tomorrow. I’ve been having that flexibility and Agility and not as as what you’ve seen is. It’s making a choice and two years later. Someone decides not to contribute to it. What you do? Right? Right. I’m moving something else. Do you, how do you navigate that path? And that’s that’s very important. And and we’ve were over the chasm of of of kubernetes being a new kid on the Block, right? Right here for a dog.
14:50 – 15:09
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And for 20 21, 22 is come out. And it’s showing that applications 95% of applications are being containerized. No one’s doing traditional applications anymore. You know, 70% of users of using certified. Kubernetes hosted platforms. The stats are speak for itself.
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Right, so, I want to go back and kind of unpack. What you were hinting at earlier where, you know, you were talking about if kubernetes is even what somebody needs, right? So, I understand that happens a lot with with tech buzzwords, you know, it happened with. Oh, yeah, devops. It happened with openstack. It happened with a lot of, you know, things that kind of tie in together containers. And in addition to that off and these are all kind of intricately intertwined with the baby story. So when, when do you tell people to not use kubernetes. We we can talk about why we? We would use it. But when do you not? Yeah, that’s a great question. And I think it all starts with the problem definition. What problem are you trying to solve wage? But you also have to consider how you want to solve it. And if there any constraints around how you solve it, right? And in my particular context, there’s a lot of money.
16:11 – 17:10
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Excitement around the Microsoft, has the micro service architecture, which is great. But now when you have a problem, like there’s a certain message that gets put across or narrative or rather that microservices equals containers, and I’m not the biggest fan of that because you don’t need you know, they’re not the same thing even though you’re the typical Journey would be that you will containerize your My Career Services because the problem that that creates is if you have you know, a team or company and they they feel that the best way for their solution is to actually have a micro service architectures. They believe that the journey that they have to take is containerized and if we’re going to containerized and we need to go with kubernetes as well for orchestration of those containers that may not necessarily be your logical path off if their constraints and and the constraints vary from an operational perspective. From a costing perspective, from a skills perspective. It might be easier to still have a microservices architecture.
17:11 – 18:10
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But what if you could just have those microservices as Cloud functions, you know, on demand functions running in the cloud. And so those are things that I think have to be considered as well off. And you certainly don’t want to undermine the challenge of administering, a kubernetes cluster, you know, the skill side of, it is a very big thing as well. There’s a lot of work that goes into wage, um, configuring your cluster, but not only that, and that, that’s, that’s a responsibility that falls more in the side of your, your devops in your Sr. He’s but your software developer, your software developers, who Focus need the application or also going to have this, a shift in their work flow. They have to now be able to design their applications from a cloud native perspective. So that’s also a change in the work work flow for them. So you have took the questions of. Are you prepared for this kind of Journey and all those cultural shifts and the technical shifts that it will have on your particular context. Otherwise if it is easier, which I would ontap?
18:11 – 19:10
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That is to go with having, for example, Cloud functions for your microservices and definitely go that direction. So I think it all starts with the problem definition. How do you hope to solve your problem? And then you have to consider any constraints around how you’re hoping to solve the problem. So, as far as kubernetes goes, I mean, what do you seeing in terms of people using it, like, who’s using it? Why are they using it? And how am I using it? And how’s the growth? Look, it’s definitely a mix. You know, we’re seeing, you know, I’ve had stories of agricultural companies using raspberry pies and tractor a to, to get Telemetry data soil, density, Roots, Telemetry data, sent back to two clusters to do analytics and, and to machine learning and plot the best route Astra and based on. So that’s the, you know, that to Aerospace to in my team, for msps that are just building services and solutions, looking at used cars.
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Is databases of service functions of the service. Container is a service and an offering it out to do their end users to their clients that have a requirement, a used syringe and smart cities and designing, you know, it’s just such a mixed environment to to, to say, from from my aspect. It’s, you know, every industry is looking at every everyone’s looking for different use cases. And, and essentially, that can be machine learning. It could be example, is sap for data analytics that we have the capability to plug that in and use a kubernetes cluster to, to do some of that. You know, it’s the capabilities are just huge. Yeah. I know. I know there’s one main story other, that kind of Leverage has the kubernetes side of things, you know, the container Focus things is Netflix, right? So Netflix, I think they design their own deployment method, right? I think it’s called Titus or something off.
20:11 – 20:41
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So basically they, you know, anything that you do in Netflix is driven by kubernetes and containers. It’s, you know, you spin up a movie you want to watch container spins up the containers, run to a track, how you’re watching things and make suggestions and, you know, there’s a lot going on in the background and trying to have somebody that can manage all that on their own as a team is impossible. So you need to have some automation built in and some some orchestration and I think that’s where the real value comes into these types of deployment.
20:42 – 21:41
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I think your very own. Matt watts does a presentation or talks about Siri using serve, a little containers to 2 every time you press Siri. It’s breaking up and runs a function. Uh, does what it needs to do and shuts down right destroys itself as a task. So, you know, that’s a that’s a simple use case, right there. There are so many young think about it. You need you just need a one-time task run operation. That’s a use case for it. So, you know, it’s it’s about having their Competitive Edge and began the First Market and, and is kubernetes containerization suse a Rancher or any other products going to help you get that edge as a as a company, right? Everyone’s looking to to be leader and looking at new technologies to do that with with self-healing school. So scaling true cloud-native. No, no, no shackles.
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And then handcuffs just been able to to to you know, have a Ferrari and run it, run it, run it on a racetrack, right? With many tires as you can write. It’s having that ability to just do what you want and and do it. Well.
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Yeah, what’s great about the whole Serie mention is that it? Also, you can also think about all the times you’ve accidentally press Siri, since containers are lightweight and ephemeral and you know, you do about them. Once they go away. That’s great. Because if you accidentally press serious pins up a container, you like. Oh cancel that. All right, cool. Let’s just tear it down. No harm. No foul there. Yeah. I mean someone’s paying them on the back end summer. Someone’s always paying somewhere. So, you know you mentioned scale and I know that with kubernetes cluster, they can start out small and, and start to grow over time, especially, as you know, you need to add more Computer Resources. How does Rancher handle that scale? What does it do? And how does enable people to scale without having to think too much about Iraq? If you look at our server requirements and and what we’ve listed as supported employment size and we can run up to 150, clusters up to two thousand and a large dog.
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Employment 20,000 notes on the large deployment, or a small deployment deployment 1500. So, you know we’ve got the scale we’ve wage scale and you know, that’s per Rancher management server and you know, the ability to to use a hybrid Cloud. So if it’s in your data center with your own physic, you can run there and ability to use the cloud providers or use Virtual instances from the cloud down to, you know, provisioning to Raspberry Pi. Right? We’ve, this, it’s the whole message of innovating everywhere. The really is, you know, we’re not really restricted other than the deployment size. So, so there is no challenges. You know, how may customers doing that. You know, there are some that are reaching, you know, some good size in, in, in those sizes. But, you know, like, every every company that, you know, test a maximum wage.
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Probably a few that ever do that. So, you know, a lot of customers have what the customers have multiple clusters per application rather than thinking, about nodes and shared notes. They across the Plains location, right? So that brings on its own challenges and best practices. Both domains blast, radius cetera, that brings on different challenges, on exciting wage manageability of larger larger clusters versus smaller clusters Etc. So it’s down to the Architects to make a decision and test and develop around that and see where their boundaries are. That’s the beauty of what Rancher is goal is to give you the tools to help you to be able to do kubernetes at scale. You can have this Consolidated or single pane to have visibility to all of your Downstream clusters that you’re managing, you know, just considering the different examples that and even mentioned. So whether you have a clusters at the edge, if you have clusters running off,
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Different Cloud environments or in different regions. Or if you have hybrid setups, all of this can be seen through a single pane, but it goes a Step Beyond that because there are several challenges when it comes to wage doing, um, cluster management at scale. You have to consider having consistency when it comes to your configurations, consistency, when it comes to security policies and protocols that you put in place, a managing of users, what happens when you have a multi-tenancy model for some of your clusters, but not all of them, you know, so all of these considerations and how do you organize a single cluster of terms of the namespaces? How do you optimally manage deployments to, you’re Downstream clusters? So all of these are as a plethora of problems that you have. And if you can have a tool that sort of a month mates, the solutions that you need in order to not just architect, but also Implement optimal management of all you’re Downstream clusters of scale it down.
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At lead makes life easier, you know, I don’t want to make it look like there are no challenges. They’re still going to be challenges because kubernetes is still hard. Cluster management is still hard and doing it at scale, will be even harder but it is something that can make it easier and equips you with all the things that you need to essentially hit some of your goals or if not all of them. Then, you know, that’s essentially what Rancher is aiming to do wage. And that’s the key message, right? Is simplifying, it just making it, simpler making it more efficient, making it operation or operations, team, be able to try and sleep at night knowing that that that but, you know, it’s it’s an easier tool to use and and, you know, once again, it’s simplified and and, and they have integration with their current infrastructure to, to be able to Iraq, could deploy and do that. Do that with with ease and you know, there will always be, there’ll be always be others. That one want to have more control, want to turn the dials themselves down.
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Use various other tools to do that or implement it in a different way. So part of the challenge with a kubernetes cluster is how to present the back-end storage, right? So when you’re breaking up these containers such as Siri, when you ask Siri a question, as to be able to query data somewhere, so, it’s got a attach a volume or attach a back-end storage device. How does Rancher handle that? And what is wrong? What are some of the best ways to handle that back in store? Astra kubernetes? Is it using? Sands it using Naz or is it using object? What are you seeing out there? So you have different approaches wage? There’s but one of the ways that Rancher is tackling it, as, you know, their features in Rancher, that allow you to be able to make use of block storage box and just leverage the storage solutions of either the nodes or external providers as well. From your Cloud providers, be it a w s g c p or Azure so that you can essentially dead.
27:57 – 28:56
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A PIN to that storage for your state full applications, and there’s a list of, you know, including yourselves of of storage providers, right? That have c s eyes and that can that can help around that and distributed Storage software-defined, storage to distribute storage using local disk or external providers to build them off or provides storage classes or system volumes. So, you know, naturally, you know, we’re NetApp. So we like to talk about how we tie into us, right. So how does how does Rancher fit into the NetApp system, you know, especially the data fabric portion? I think we’ve got some synergies in in message, the innovate everywhere ontap. Anywhere date of fabric is very important as there’s, there’s a busy shift in databases or service, back up as a service, being able to to have centralized view of all your clusters and being able to back up and and provision storage them.
28:57 – 29:57
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Um, you know that you’ve NetApp of gone down that direction and the ability to do that in in, you know, the the top three hyper Skype hyperscale is is very important and we’re we’re seeing the same trajectory 444 Rancher as well as an ethical seeing that as well. That you know Simplicity once again, single single View and being able to home runs fateful applications, you know full lifecycle management of databases backing up your databases, you know, some providers or some consumers want to move from obviously as you’ll Sequel and have you know, where the industry is growing at the moment state for location as being able to run databases locally is important and ontap is off. The topic is allowing, you know, Rancher users to do that, right? That’s that’s the important message is allowing men giving them the capabilities to do that and that’s us in very important for them to age.
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Just the storage to get snapshots to reuse existing Hardware that it might have or use Astra data store, which is, you know, student preview, but coming out cetera, but they used Astra control plane to be able to backup your services. Any between any clouds is very important. So you mentioned Astra data store and that’s that’s you know, in public preview. Now wage know if you got a chance to play around with it, but what are your what are your thoughts on using something like Astra data store versus like an ontap or a an Azure NetApp files or something along those lines where the the advantages and disadvantages of each?
30:35 – 31:35
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So for myself storage background, very important storage as a service, from a kubernetes, cluster provisioning storage or PVE to other clusters is a win in the MSP world. So Building Services and offerings using, let’s let’s call it HCI. So you’re using commodity Hardware that wage they have or building out storage within a cluster using local disk to do that is, is gives gives msps, flexibility, and msps that are maybe within the NetApp program as well. And having the ability to, to utilize their existing storage or create a spirit software-defined, very important to say, where you have your thoughts on ontap, cloud services, Etc, msps, want to build to build themselves and manage that. So consumers of kubernetes being able to get the same feature set that they use birth.
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Even the the fastest, this is an example that having that in kubernetes and having that same view or training, especially for me someone who took quite a while ago and I’m moving that into kubernetes. I can bring those skills across the storage, admins can still do storage in a traditional world and they can still bring those skills into kubernetes wage, very important. So being able to upskill themselves into cloud-native world and still being able to do storage and kubernetes is super cool. So is that basically just you know, 80s offers less of a learning curve as opposed to using something that’s ontap based.
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Definitely. It’s definitely reducing that, you know, that that
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Everyone simplifying some storage. It becomes simplified, right, API driven and kubernetes. I believe is done the best job of that with storage classes, right? It’s defining the back end and saying a lot of replicas h a what type of profile it might be. How far is it going to be Etc, right. We was doing that many moons ago in in, in traditional storage world, and now you, you know, you shift that into kubernetes and you don’t have to worry about the back end so much and it’s a bit more automated. Definitely those those skills just our cross cross that you can bring and, and still keep storage skill sets, but just within kubernetes, right? And and you, you still be able to go back and forth between traditional and clubs nature of being able to operate in different clouds, whether it be a w s or traditional or instructions service to, then fall back into kubernetes to then go back to your own print that off.
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Virtualized environment, you know, it’s having those skills across skills keeps keeps keeps everyone interested and, and and definitely keeps Mexican fishing once again, simplified. You, you know, the learning curve is reduced but it also helps an assist the learning curve because you’re really known as storage B. It’s a small smaller subset and then you’ve got a community’s, right? And, yes, that’s still is the harder piece to layer on, but at least you’ve got the, the know-how from the storage point of view, across Cloud across traditional strong specialization instructor Service Hardware into kubernetes. So, Luke, if I’m interested in trying out Rancher, where would I go to do that? Where would I find more information?
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Yeah, well, aside from the docks, you know, I think the best place to to start would actually be to join the suse in Rancher Community Network. As I mentioned earlier. It’s a month to space for you to engage and collaborate and learn from other cloud-native practitioners. But also, we provide a ton of different resources in there to help you and equip. You not just a journey but also with suse container management software stack and obviously Rancher being at the helm of that. No pun intended. You know, we have an up-and-running Rancher course, and the up and running. Rancher course, takes you from a place of you definitely need to have some of the fundamentals of kubernetes. But if you’re brand-new to Rancher, it will take you through the understanding the architecture, what problems Rancher solves all the way through to exploring the different dimensions of multi cluster management and how Rancher can Aid you and solved?
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Problems of cluster Management in an Enterprise context and doing it at scale and excellent. Again, Luke if we wanted to reach you, how we do that. Yes, so you can reach out to me either assuring Rancher, commuter Network, or you can do so on LinkedIn. You just have to use my full name. Locanda Mila. You can also reach out to me on Twitter, which would be at Luke and then the number 9 and then i n e and you can feel free to subscribe to me on YouTube, in which case, you would use my full name again the condom and we low and handy. Yeah, and if you want to reach out to me for any MSP parking opportunities around the use of Rancher, and you can contacts or go to our website at suse about Com, or you can find me on LinkedIn, Andrew King, hyphen, wage, or you can contact me by email, which is Andy King suse. All right. Excellent. Thanks so much for joining us and talking to us all about rancher and how we can enable your kubernetes journey.

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