Welcome to the Episode 335, part of the continuing series called “Behind the Scenes of the NetApp Tech ONTAP Podcast.”
This week, learn about the many different ways NetApp ONTAP and Brocade Gen 7 helps simplify your enterprise SAN workloads, featuring Ant Tyrell of NetApp (tyrell@netapp.com) and AJ Casamento (https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-casamento-a44570/) of Brocade.
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Unknown Speaker 0:31
Hello, and welcome to Tech ONTAP podcast. My name is Justin Parisi. I’m here in the basement of my house. And with me today, I have a couple of special guests to talk to us all about what’s going on with Brocade, and sand simplification and hybrid cloud and all these things. So with us today, I brought along AJ Casamento. So AJ, what do you do and how do we reach you?
Unknown Speaker 0:51
Yeah, thanks, Joseph. So I’m AJ Casamento. And I work as a principal r&d Engineer here at the at the brocade Storage Networking division of Broadcom. And I can be reached at aj.casamento@broadcom.com. All right, excellent. Also with us today is Ant Tyrrell. So and what do you do? And how do we reach you?
Unknown Speaker 1:15
Hey, Justin. Yeah, thanks for having me on again. Yeah, I’m a principal consulting architect based in EMEA. And I spent a lot of time kind of talking to customers and partners and helping to build hybrid cloud solutions, I guess, you know, explaining how our products work and helping customers to design that build those solutions in that environments. You can get me at my email address, which is tyrell@netapp.com. All right, excellent. So before we get started with what we’re going to talk about today, let’s talk about brocade slash Broadcom. So AJ, give us the overview. The brocade Storage Networking division is one of soon with the acquisition of VMware, we will be one of 23 divisions, at Broadcom, Broadcom is pretty, pretty broad ranging, if you if you’ve got a cell phone and set top box Ethernet switches in your environment, there’s pretty good chances that we’ve got chips playing somewhere in your world, Wi Fi is Wi Fi as well. But on the brocade Storage Networking side, we’ve been a partner for NetApp for more than 20 years now providing the Fibre Channel Storage Networking side of the of the NetApp storage environments. And so that’s, that’s really what what, what brocade has been a linchpin in, in the in the development of storage and networking technologies with with NetApp. You know, you guys do a lot with our sand divisions. But also, you know, we’re we’re getting more and more into the realm of hybrid cloud now. And NetApp has a unique approach to their CIO. And it’s kind of talk to us about how NetApp does that it’s a pretty broad topic just in Israel. You know, there’s there’s lots of complexity and in a lot of this stuff these days, but certainly, one thing we’ve definitely seen a huge push for from lots of our customers and combined customers, both both NetApp and brocade, Broadcom customers is that desire to move to move workloads to the cloud, for a variety of reasons, you know, whether it’s new workloads, or simplification, some of their kind of application stacks, or maybe just trying to get out of a data center, fundamentally, not real estate is isn’t exactly cheap in some parts of the world. So I’ve been asked to remove an entire room full of equipment and all of the energy costs associated with that, that’s a pretty appealing situation for some customers, as AJ said, have been a part of Brocade for a long time, but for our journey probably changed about six or seven years ago, a little bit, not changed, but shifted gears a little bit. And that was when we first kind of come to market with that kind of data fabric strategy, which essentially kind of is rolled into what we now call a hybrid cloud solution and hybrid cloud strategies. Fundamentally, that means being able to take take your data and your applications and put them in the right place at the right time for the right price. And that doesn’t always mean an on premise, Fibre Channel SAN environment, that could mean we need to take some of those workloads and move them, you know, to an A, you’re on an AWS or Google Cloud, you know, whatever suits, and I think NetApp have tried to be that kind of that broker of that transition for some of our customers, we want to make sure that if there is a cloud journey to be had, that we’re able to help, and a lot of the things that we do a lot of the partnerships that we have a very much geared towards that, you know, we have our own cloud products and cloud services, which are completely separate from some of these conversations. But yeah, certainly that certainly the partnership with VMware and Broadcom that’s a very, very strong one has been for a number of years, and will probably no doubt get much closer. With the acquisition we are the NetApp kind of philosophy is making sure that our customers can get to the cloud as easily as smoothly as possible. And in some cases, come back right you know, so not every workload should always stay in the cloud. Once it gets there. Some of these kind of new organizations that have become customers of metta. They’ve been so called born in the cloud and events or commerce, and that’s great up to a certain size and
Unknown Speaker 5:00
Maybe some of those environments, once they start to scale, it may, sometimes it makes some sense to bring those up into an on premise infrastructure. And things like you know, really, really low latency, really high performance workloads. Cloud has certainly gotten a hell of a lot better last few years. But that is not medicine, those kinds of, you know, tier zero tier one applications being being on premise, you know, right next to where that data is needed. You know, that’s where things like NVMe over Fibre Channel and the combination that we’ve got with with the likes of VMware and Broadcom, that’s where that, that strategy really like. So now we can take that workload on premise, which is really, really low latency, high performance. And maybe we can spin up a backup copy, or a DR copy or some testing developments in the cloud, using some of the meta tools and functionality. So there’s a lot of things going on these days. And it’s becoming more and more difficult to keep up with these new features as they come out and new solutions as they come out. But NETOPS philosophy is to be a broker in the middle of thought, you know, to help our customers to satisfy that cloud, Jamie needs as best we can. So AJ, you know, I know that brocade has a history of on prem hardware, you know, Fibre Channel networks, but now we have to move more towards towards the cloud approach. How is brocade handling that hybrid cloud migration? Yeah, and so it’s a good question. And I think, you know, one of the points that I made is, is that you have to be you have to be flexible, you have to be adaptable. And by the way, people’s businesses and applications change, right. And so, you know, you end up in scenarios where, you know, sometimes the solution set that’s been really good for a period of time, you know, needs needs to get more after modified, or, you know, you do end up with environments where, you know, people think, Oh, we’re going to, we’re going to spin this up, we’ll put it, we’ll put it in the cloud, you know, life will be grand, and then they determined that, for a set of characteristics, they need to move it back on prem. And I think that’s one of the advantages that that NET app provides to that discussion is, is, hey, you know, what, what does the application and what does the business case need, and that’s the thing that, that you want to chase Not, not necessarily being wed to a particular design, as a permanent kind of kind of structure is one of my early mentors said to me, you know, technology occasionally makes for pretty good tools it makes for really bad religion. So it’s not a scenario where you want to, you want to wedge yourself to something and say, this will never change. And so one of the things that that we’ve seen is, his customers are trying to take advantage of some of the technology increments that that app has been bringing out both in in FF hardware as well as in on top is providing that infrastructure in the on prem case. And in particular, helping people sort out like, what what have I got, what am I doing, which which pieces are, are my highest consumers, and so on. And so there’s things that we’ve been doing in our platforms that that let people more readily discern that. And so we’re, you know, part of the conversation today that we’re hoping to have is refreshing that sand infrastructure that on prem infrastructure, we’ve met up into a Gen seven environment, well, why the hell would it matter, Justin? Well, because we’ve now got the capability to from a configuration standpoint, and you know, and can correct me if he thinks I drift, but I don’t think it gets much simpler than, hey, connect your servers and your AF NET app platforms, to the Gen seven brocade sand gear, cable it up through the zoning, power it on. And that’s the end of your configuration. From that standpoint, we start learning. And so we’re going to, we’re going to learn you have to take one of the X seven directors from from NetApp. For our sand, we’re going to learn up to 72,000 flows, right? Initiate your target line or initiator target namespace ID if the customer has begun to migrate into NVMe, or wants to look at migrating into NVMe. So being able to look and see, hey, what are these individual applications doing? Like what are they what are the actual metrics that we’re seeing what’s what’s going on in the environment, if I decide to migrate, you know, with a net up solution set us and you can readily in VMware, and this is part of the the NET app verified architecture that you’re going to be providing a link to in the podcast is hey, you can literally select which virtual machines you want to look at migrating, you present them the namespace ID which is in NVMe spaces a logical equivalent of a London scuzzy, create that in through through on tap tools in the platform, present that back to vSphere, right. And then the vSphere admin can choose out of this list of virtual machines and looking at the performance and the metrics that we can give them join in with NetApp for what the for what the eff platform is saying. You can say hey, okay, these three guys right here, these are my these are my high kickers, these are my real performance apps. These are the things that the application owner is most likely to yell at me about. Let me migrate these over to the datastore and NVMe. And the really cool thing about that is you can do that in vSphere with a live storage V motion on the infrastrutture
Unknown Speaker 10:00
sure not such a cable not taking outage in the application right? At you just literally changed the language you were using to talk to the storage and then that fff I think that’s a pretty brilliant shift, right? And then you may take those same metrics and look at it go, Okay, so like these 20 or 30, guys, you know, they don’t, they don’t have the need for the same infrastructure. So let me use my NetApp tool suite, to look at, you know, migrating those into into a hybrid cloud environment. So I, you know, I think that that kind of flexibility plays really, really nicely, but it requires an infrastructure that knows what’s going on. And that’s one of the things that we do. And there’s there’s some other pieces we’ll talk about in those terms in terms of like traffic optimizer, and something new in the learning for the flows that I want to, I want to speak to called Virtual Machine ID tagging. But I’m gonna take a breath here and see if, if anything, he wants to kick in on that discussion. Yeah, that kind of started that you’ve outlined, I think one thing you did miss was just the sheer performance difference involved in what we’ve been just talking about there. So moving from from a scuzzy based Fibre Channel connection over to an NVMe over FC connection, we can see those numbers in the the NetApp validated architecture that you mentioned earlier, it’s pretty much double performance, right, you know, double the I ops and a significant drop in latency, as much as half, you know, half the latency we’ve seen in some tests. And so to be able to do that in an infrastructure without like saving up touching the cable, without power on another piece of hardware on you can look to do that with with the existing infrastructure today, if you’ve got the right, you know, you’ve got the right versions of ONTAP. And the right hardware and the right switches, that’s a huge huge differentiator, really, and I think, when you scale that out to, you know, to large environments, the reduction potentially in the amount of compute you need, could be significant. And it’s always a difficult kind of conversation to have. But when you start to talk about how some of those platforms are licensed, if that’s an Oracle license, or some other type of a license, you know, there’s a legitimate potential there to reduce costs, as well as gaining performance. So it is a fairly rosy picture. I think it just hopefully, more and more people get to understand that and maybe start to make use of it, particularly with the likes of VMware now, you know, vSphere, seven support and all these NVMe protocols, you know, the ecosystem is, isn’t as mature and nicely around that protocol. Stack. Yeah, it has done it. I think you’re quite right to bring to bring that point up, you know, if you can license it, because I mean, almost all of these run licensing the number of course, and if you can license fewer cores to get the same workload or get more virtual machines per core, right, software dollars or dollars to or euros, that’s money out of somebody’s budget, right, whether it goes to the the expense side or the capital side, and you can you can argue but it still has to be accounted for in somebody’s budget. Yeah, absolutely. I’m not just VMware, I didn’t want to make another point there ha too, with the latest version of ONTAP, nine dot 11 that we released last month or the month before, actually. So it is nice and easy to move VMs around in a VMware context gone between FC and NVMe, FC. But we’ve also just released a piece of functionality and ONTAP directly, where we can actually flip a Fibre Channel over to be an NVMe namespace without moving any data around. That’s a pretty cool way of making that transition again, you know, without pulling any cables, and you know, rezoning things, it’s simply a case of very briefly disconnecting, you know, the host in terms of the zone map and the map into the lungs in answer, flipping it over to an NVMe namespace. And then we do in that zone, and to use the NVMe paths, that’s a very, very interesting piece of technology, which removes the kind of woody really of move and some of these big applications between protocols, if the data doesn’t have to move anywhere, you know, we’re just changing some metadata inside of ONTAP. So that’s a that’s another new feature that we’ve only just released that’s hopefully going to help to encourage more customers to to look at the whole NVMe over FC route, one would think so right? I mean, for one thing, it saves on storage space, you’re not creating a mirror of the data store. Exactly. And then you’re also not taking the time to do it in or any any worries or concerns or, and what that might do to performance of the platform. And I don’t think I’ve heard of that capability from anybody else other than yourselves. And not that I’m aware of AJ, I think it’s difficult sometimes to stay abreast of the competition. If we
Unknown Speaker 14:07
come across other vendors who can do that being able to move between on prem and the cloud on top is a very versatile platform. In that sense, we can actually manipulate that loan to be presented via Fibre Channel, I scuzzy or NVMe, namespaces. And we can do that on prem or in the cloud now, so yeah, and the the bi directional portion of it as well, because you know, that whether it’s a capacity issue, whether it’s a recovery time issue, because sometimes, you know, something will you know, I can buy tons of capacity. And yeah, you can do but but then if your recovery mechanism requires transferring all of that data back again,
Unknown Speaker 14:39
that can take a little bit of time and recovery windows are critical to people. Right. You know, that’s that’s the cost mechanism, right? It’s always funny to me that, you know, the conversation has two parameters to it, one of which is the cost opportunity of the data loss, but the other is the cost opportunity of the window for which the application is not available. Right. And, unfortunately, those aren’t
Unknown Speaker 15:00
uniform because people have actual businesses with actual business cycles in them. And you know, I’ll pick on somebody like a ticket master, which is a an online ticketing agency here in the United States, and given a particular event coming up their cost window for their application being unavailable for, you know, 20 minutes is very, very different. If there’s a major event that everybody’s trying to get tickets to, right, it’s not a uniform cost. So it’s, it’s nice to have that flexibility that on top provides to go in either direction, either putting the applications out there, but then if needs be, and it needs to be back on prem, you know, get it back on prem. Yeah, and the same with that namespace to long conversion. That’s, that’s a two way street to you know, so if you want to run some tests over the weekend, where you want to flip along to be a namespace and run some NVMe over epsi, test them, and they’ll take a snapshot before you do that. And then yeah, you can flip that guy back to be a normal farmer telethon again, and go back to the way you were, there’s this flexibility in both directions, they’re both in the cloud and back again, but also on prem, you know, flipping between the protocols. And again, I think that does allow on top to stand out a little bit as a as an operating system. I don’t think there’s any other storage or operating systems out there that as flexible as that. Yeah. And I think another first that I that I wanted to give that up kudos for is the fact that you were the very first array to support virtual machine ID tagging, which is, you know, something that’s been in the Fibre Channel standard for all of the Gen six lifecycle. But on top was the first platform to actually do that. And just for the sake of the folks on the listing end of this, who may not be familiar with it. Basically, this is supported all the way back to VMware version 5.5. So this has been around a while. And what basically happens is that VMware hands, the UU ID, the unique identifier of the virtual machine to the HBA in the server, the fiber channel HBA in the server, the server then registers that with the fabric, right and gets a unique identifier for the virtual machine. That unique identifier is now written into a previously unused location in the Fibre Channel header. And NET app with their eff platforms within on top actually recognizes this does the right things with it returns the value to us as part of the transaction. And why that becomes critical in my head anyway, is that what that gives us is the functional equivalent of something we call IO insight in our platforms, all the way to the virtual machines. So for example, let’s say and, you know, and probably thinks that I pick on the database guys too often, but you know, if you have a database admin who’s among your more finicky or particular customers, who pokes at you, every time he thinks that the storage is the root of all evil for performance on his database, because it can’t ever be a table scan that he did or a bad join, or, you know, very false No, no, no, none of those things, right. And that’s, they never make those mistakes, right? But so,
Unknown Speaker 17:53
particularly not if they’re an Oracle DBA. Right, those guys never make an error. But if somehow the stars aligned, and they did, it’s really nice to be able to say, well, you know, actually, here’s the latency of the first read response to the database query. Here’s the exchange completion times, here’s the pending IO on the port for God’s sake, right? It’s not my afff platform, thank you very much for stopping by, would you like a cup of coffee to take back to your desk? Right, so much more fun conversation? Well, now we can do that to the virtual machine. Now, we can give you visibility all the way to the application writing in that VM. And that’s brilliant, right? Because now I can see, you know, that up, has for several years, and describing the scenario of how do you figure out, you know, bully and victim. And, you know, one of the customers made the point to me a few months ago, and he said, You know, it’s not always going to be the bully we move. Because sometimes the bully is the really critical app. And so maybe the victims, we move away from that a bully, right, but just being able to see that and to know, because most storage admins don’t have the vSphere login, they don’t have the visibility. And it’s like being asked to walk into a room of children that are in a massive pile struggling, hitting, crying, you know, a bunch of a bunch of six or seven year olds, and you’re supposed to without even knowing the names, you’re supposed to figure out who hit who first and get things sussed out. So you know, how do you do that? That was the first array. And to do that, you know, take that leadership position and do the V mid tagging. So you know, well done you. Yeah, that was back in Data ONTAP. Just to for anyone who’s interested, ata.
Unknown Speaker 19:23
You know, a little while has been out a little while. One of the things that is different now with the latest releases of the Gen seven fabric OS with our 9.1 release and our sand nav, two dot 2.1 release is we can now give you the visualization of that data. You can now go into sand, NAB and a new you can call up the port and see the virtual machines and see the throughputs you can go into investigative mode and get real time data down to five second granularities on the flows on that port right so that the ability to not just do them
Unknown Speaker 20:00
Measurement, but the ability to visualize that that data and use that data for troubleshooting purposes as well, or thresholding purposes, you know, that’s something that’s, that’s a bit of a change. And so to tie it back so that Justin doesn’t kick me in the knee here shortly and say, hey, you know, bring us back on topic, AJ, to tie that back to a hybrid cloud, what if you could start looking at long term histograms on these virtual machines and say, hey, you know, these 30 or 60, are probably safe to go play cloud with these other ones, perhaps not, you know, these have to, to higher latency consideration to get moving off and that kind of thing. So if you know that, and then you can see those metrics, then you can actually have the histogram on that stuff. That just makes the decision tree so much easier, I think, absolutely. This isn’t always necessarily about moving those workloads. Nene. And I think I’ll bring this back to an on site conversation for a second, if that’s okay. But you know, it’s not just always about moving the web itself, we’ve got functionality and on top now, where if, if you have got a, you know, a workload that’s requires low latency and high performance, and we maybe can’t quite get there yet, with some of the cloud providers, you can obviously just leave that world on prem. But you can still offload a lot of the t shirt, any kind of data associated with it, whether that’s, you know, backup data or cold data. And we’ve got a couple of mechanisms where things like fabric pill, where we can take blocks that have not been read for, you know, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, whatever you want to set that to, and we just quietly, invisibly move those blocks off to a cloud provider, but primarily with what workloads you have, you maybe want to concentrate on doing that with snapshot data, as opposed to the actual, you know, the actual data from the loan itself, but it is suitable, you know, you can’t, you can’t move block data using fabric pool. And equally, if you don’t want to even go down that road, we’ve got the option of a cloud backup service now. So you can just send your backups directly from an on SAP system into the cloud, if those backups or you know, database environments, like like that we were talking about, that maybe simplifies that whole sand environment, if you can remove tape from it completely and just say, You know what, I want to take these Oracle databases and dump them straight on a, an s3 bucket in Amazon or as your that’s another part of that hybrid cloud conversation that that maybe is we’re touching on is we don’t always have to move the workload. Now there are other ways to offload some of this stuff into into the cloud for a variety of reasons, whether it’s, like I said before reducing datacenter footprint or getting your energy costs down. You know, I don’t think there’s many data centers on the planet that are more efficient than some of these large cloud providers. So it kind of makes sense to move a lot of these dormant workloads and tear should be part of the applications out to the providers whenever we can whenever we can do that. So a simplification, what I’m hearing here is, you know, we’ve got things like reducing the number of moving parts, right, like taking out some of the hardware out of the equation and moving to cloud, in some cases, taking out FCP from the equation using NVMe over Ethernet, right? So being able or sorry, TC over TCP. So being able to do stuff like that backup and restores making that simpler by taking out things like tape backups, automatic tearing, being able to migrate data easily. Am I missing anything? I mean? Are we looking at more than that, for simplification? Is that sounds like a lot already.
Unknown Speaker 23:10
Quite the laundry list? Yeah, it’s a pretty big bucket list, I think, you know, a couple other things that NET app provides in their sand infrastructure, that’s quite useful. You know, when you look at this refresh piece, one of the other pieces that we have in here in the Gen seven gears is this concept of traffic optimizer. And so one of the things that I will say, and I think ants really tripped over the exact same thing, and Justin yourself, as well as, because none of us are in our 20s anymore. We’ve seen a couple of three data centers over pod. And customers always have a mix of generations of technologies on the floor, I never get to see anybody who may even if they get to build a greenfield data center, the stuff they’re moving into it, there’s always multiple legacy applications that are running on platforms, I mean, haven’t helped us. I’ve got customers running variants of Solaris that are coming up on 20 years old, because there’s no replacement for the application and so on. But that aside, you know, you’ve got servers that are 468 years old, older versions of networking gear, and so on, and older versions of operating systems. And so the mismatch of performance between those generations of technology are sometimes an issue. If you’ve got platforms, you know, customers who have hung on to their net up platforms, or hung on to other storage platforms that are running for gig interfaces, or eight gig interfaces and so on, you know, they need time to get migrated off of them. Well, when you just throw that into a general mix, you know, that can be problematic in a shared infrastructure, space. And, by the way, this is true, regardless of whether we’re talking about Ethernet Fibre Channel, you know, take your take your pick, it doesn’t really matter. Everybody has the same problem. And what we’ve done is in the interswitch, like so think about it, as I’ll use London as the example the bridges over the Thames. And what if you had 64 lanes in each direction? And what if you had performance groups that are broken up into four lane performance groups, right, and so that folks like myself for that
Unknown Speaker 25:00
Is the grandfather in the family car. And you know an answer that’s on his way to, to the airport for his holiday in Cancun. He doesn’t want to be behind me on the way to Heathrow, we have a performance group for 16 gig and other we got a performance group for 32 weeks cousin, another one for 32 Gig NVMe. Because the ants point, when you can get double the I ops and latency lower by half by moving to NVMe over Fibre Channel fabric as opposed to running scuzzy over fiber channel fabric. You don’t want those two traffic’s necessarily intermixed. And one of the really cool things about this is, it’s the same kind of configuration you went through for the learning of the flows, you connect up your your net FA FF platforms, to the Gen seven fabric, you know, you get them all cabled in place, you get them zoned, and you power them on. And that’s the there’s no step for, it just learns based on destination port ID. So if the AFS platform is talking back to a server that’s running at eight gig or 16 gig because it hasn’t been replaced or refreshed yet, or there wasn’t the budget to replace it yet. Right? That goes into the right performance group. And if it’s responding to another platform, that’s a 32 gig server, or, or even a 64 gig server, right? That goes into the right performance group. And it does it automatically, you don’t have to configure anything. So getting all that stuff sorted out by refreshing your environment and modernizing your environment into Gen seven fabrics with the NetApp FF platforms is a huge savings for people just in the amount of time and the effort they’re putting into it. And now, NET apps also been working on supporting the fabric performance impact notification. So the our ability to tell the EFF platform, you know, when there’s a congestion problem with a server it’s talking to right, the servers over subscribed as an example, and so on this progression is something that I think is going to be really key for people in helping them manage their environments with less hand holding. And then that gives them the time to go figure out what data or what workloads, they might want to move into a hybrid cloud infrastructure. All right, so we’re also talking about simplification through centralized management, right, like being able to do everything under one umbrella.
Unknown Speaker 27:10
So I mean, it sounds like we’ve got a lot of options here to make things easier. So how do we simplify the simplification?
Unknown Speaker 27:19
Right? Like, how do we kind of encapsulate it all into one thing, we’ll go place maybe Justin, as I think AJ touched on this earlier, there’s a new NetApp verified architecture that was just released literally a few days ago. And v 81168. And that kind of walks you through step by step, how you build that kind of solution, it is specific to, you know, to a VMware and a Windows kind of SQL Server setup. But, I mean, you’ve got to start somewhere, right, you know, so that one kind of prescribed solution really, that will walk customers through all of the component parts, how to set it up how to run that well tests that we put, you know, put against that solution, that’s a nice way maybe as a starting point, to have a read of that documents, as give our listeners an idea of the steps involved in a building blocks involved, I would agree and I think once you’ve had to read through that, you know, just reach out to your favorite NetApp consultant. And you know, just have a chat about having that up, come in and work with you to refresh your sand infrastructure and your storage infrastructure into a combination of Brocade Gen seven and afff. Platforms running the best version of on top you can get to as rapidly as you can. So I think it was was it 10.1 Now and another nine dot 11 It is to call it manejo that’s, that’s gonna be introduced that namespace conversion feature recently, grand, grand grand. So you know, that’s probably the simplest mechanism, going forward, have a read through the net verified architecture, see what’s involved, because I think you’re gonna find the steps are actually pretty straightforward. And then, you know, get in touch with your favorite NET app folks and see about getting them to help you move into that new simplified sand infrastructure. Alright, sounds like we got a lot of good things to think about here with simplification is seeing with Brocade, and NetApp, and ONTAP, and all those good things. So, aunt, if I wanted to find more information about all this, where would I do that? Yeah, so a couple places. I mean, first off, just drop me an email just and if that’s, you know, a quick route. So tiddle@netapp.com, as I said earlier, it’s either below or if you’re, you know, NetApp customer partner, there’s plenty of information on that website. And these MBAs are downloadable as well from from our field portal location, if you’re one of them. That’s our partners. All right, and AJ, where would I find information about brocades efforts here? So the link that I can suggest to folks is the broadcom.com/products/fibre channel networking, but to ants suggestion, you know that that verified architecture is a good place to have a first look at what the recipe looks like for your next effort. All right, excellent. Well include all those links in the blog that we have accompanying this and thanks again for joining us.
Unknown Speaker 29:49
AJ, if we want to contact you, how do we do that again? Again, it’s AJ dot casamento that ca sa me N t o@broadcom.com and
Unknown Speaker 30:00
Yeah, it’s total@netapp.com Justin so Tyr E double L. That’s excellent. We’ll include those in the blog as well. Right that music tells me it’s time to go. Let’s get into it. Send us an email to podcast@meetup.com send us a tweet.
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